Way back a long time ago, I posted some possibilities in this thread. I could see a few potential gizmos. Maybe an air actuated cylinder - sudden blast of air sends a plunger with a rod/"fist" connected to it. I was thinking about a four inch PVC pipe, compressed air, piped to a large solenoid valve, for the trigger. Something like that could very closely approximate a punch.
Another method would to take apart a treadmill, fabricate a piston type action (like an eccentric cam} or even figuring out to make use of a bicycle crank connected to the motor, with a rod connected, guided to the target by brackets, with a "fist" at the end. The controller from the treadmill could vary the speed of the strokes.
If I were single, I'd probably make one or more devices.
I'd also really love to make some kind of interactive design that would allow someone from a remote location, like MF chat for example, to activate the punching device while observing me or some other punchee on camera. Cam to cam would be even better, as there's something about seeing the expression on a guy's face when he knows he's causing pain and driving out those delightful grunts.
No doubt there's a way to activate a punching device with a mouse click, or other keystroke. I know it's not the same as an in person encounter, but with guys who are into this are spread so far apart, it might be an entertaining alternative.
I like the idea of the remote, and the cam to cam, or cam for a roomful of punchers. There are vibrators that you can send the code to someone online so they can control it. So you could likely come up with the same WiFi controls for a punching machine, if one was created.
There's also now a WiFi chastity device called the CellMate that can be activated unlocked from anywhere in the World.
Probably not enough people into GP to make it worthwhile for a company to invent and sell though, unfortunately.
I'd love to be locked into a GP machine while on cam in a GP chatroom, and have some sort of online game that would give the winner control to an onscreen control for the machine. Each round of the game another winner gets their hands on the remote. The room could vote on how long I get locked onto/into the machine.
A cool thing about this is the "puncher" is poking buttons on the screen, so you can't prepare for the type of punch you're going to get ... face-to-face you can more or less tell what's coming, unless you're blindfolded, and even then you can hear and sense the amount of effort that's coming at you. With the remote you can see the glint in the "puncher's" eyes, that fun, sadistic look, but you can't judge how hard you're going to get hit, or what type of punch.
The machine should have controls for type of punch, where on the punchee's body, weight of the punch in PSI, depth of punch (into the stomach), a way to lock the punchee in, maybe a timer (for self-punishment), it would also be cool to have a way to stretch out the punchee's torso (also measured in PSI). Personally, I like to take a punch to a stretched-out gut, so I'd definitely want that option.
If you have a heavy bag you have a simple but effective gut punching machine.Adjust the height so that when it's swung it comes back and hits you in your "sweet spot" where ever you've placed it.
I've been doing this for years to toughen up the gut. I recommend wearing a cup, or not, depending how hard your nads are...LOL... Once you're used to this concept, try closing your eyes, and also pushing the bag away at different heights so you don't know exactly when it will make impact. Pushing the bag away to make it swing is also good for the arms.
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I will fabricate a machine with the help of anyone who has a good design idea. The electronics and pneumatics aren't something I"m familiar with, however, with some guidance I can apply them. The traumatizer is a great design. I have looked to gym equipment for design ideas due to the need for it to be fully adjustible, eg. height of the taker, force of the punch. My idea was a pendulum idea with a cam at the top that would be powered by a variable speed motor. A counter balance would adjust the force of the punch. It's big and bulky...I want something smaller.
Another design I thought of is very similar to the traumatizer, but uses a spring, similar to one in a car's suspension...pulled back with a cam then released rapidly. Tension would be adjusted with a knob on a bolt...similar to what you would see in a clay pigeon thrower.
I'm very open to working on this with someone. anybody want to team up?
What I like about the machine is the convenience. I can get home, take some punches, and go about the rest of my evening...
Currently working on a simple gutpunching machine. It won't take long to build. and the most expensive part will be the motor (I'll be using a grinder motor) The motor was a swap-meet (like a garage sale) motor I bought for 20 bucks and the speed controller I bought for another 10. The power will be controlled by a series of elastic bands or surgical tubing. and the frequency controlled by the speed. The overall cost of construction will be approximately 100-120, depending on materials. I'm considering the punching surface will be a small softball I'll be able to put a glove over. Once I have the thing built and tested I'll post the designs and specs here
I'm serious. With both arms tied behind my back ( lying on my back or against a wall) - set the machine at Max and the timer for 1 hour. Come back and check on me after 60 minutes. tough gut can monitor.
I couldn't agree with you more but it seems there are far more guys "into gutpunching" than there are actual participants. I'd much rather trade punches with a partner but more times than not, that option isn't available. A machine won't cancel on me, say I'm the wrong body type or too old. On top of that, If I add a few more options, it'll be just as brutal. Maybe I can toss a vocoder in there and it'll do the taunting as well.
Keep it up, mister. I've enjoyed your videos elsewhere, so I know you're serious about GP. Whatever machine you come up with will be great, i'm certain.
All true, but sometimes it's hard to find someone to do the punching. That's where the machine comes in. Doesn't complain, doesn't get tired, always there when you need it :)
I have found a gym equipment builder/vendor company here now that is willing to work with me on this, and I am set on having one built.
So anyone who is interested in this: we should start coming up with a design.
Any pieces and parts that you see in gym equipment (think weight machines) is possible. Frames, telescopic beams/rods with holes/pins to adjust, cams, cables, pulleys, weight sliding bars, weight plates, cushions, etc.
They even have a release mechanism so that one person operation is possible: one can arm the machine (by lifting up some weights and/or pulling some springs) first, then step into the target point and release the stored energy.
As energy storage elements we can use springs of any strength and weight plates.
End effector can be moulded from hard rubber (various hardnesses available) into any shape of our choosing (smaller one for simulating punches, larger ones for simulating kicks), and can be interchanged.
Way to complicated my friend. I already made a machine that works just great. Picture yourself sitting in a seated leg press machine with the chair seat adjustable forwards and backwards with incremental adjustments as to bring yourself closer to a punching apparatus. You can also raise and or lower the height of the seat independently of the punching apparatus. The seat back can be adjusted (tilted) backwardly on an angle in order to place your body in a position as to replicate un uppercut punch. The punching apparatus and the seating mechanism are connected together so they don't separate from each other while the punching apparatus is in motion delivering gut punches. The punching apparatus is a very simple variable speed one horsepower electric motor control by a rheostat placed within an arm's reach for adjusting the speed from 0 to100% speed. The motor is directly connected to a large and interchangeable size wheel connecting to an arm (much like an old style steam engine train wheel is connected to its drive arm). The end of the arm is shaped like a fist and you simply place a boxing glove over the end and or change the size of boxing glove to suite the desired punch impact that you want your gut to absorb.
Along those lines, I thought about re-purposing a lot of a treadmill mechanism. The rheostat is there for variable speed, the DC motor with far more than enough power. The tilt mechanism can be used to adjust depth. Some even have programmable workout routines that could be adjusted for this purpose. But still, that's more like a gut pushing machine, although I'd still get a lot out of it.
My idea along these lines and both yours are Rube Goldbergs, compared to the idea I originally posted below. It has way less moving parts, and will deliver actual punches. I might build one, but have no interest in marketing it.
Once a patent is applied for, the inventor is protected. Lots of products are on the market without patent, but with patents pending. It's necessary to be clever about exactly what is being patented. I'm not a patent expert, but it appears that many times, a product is developed with patent application, then someone else comes along, and makes a minor change in the product, thereby able to claim it's patent-able in the name of the idea thief. The patent needs to encompass the entire idea, along with all permutations imaginable. That makes it difficult for someone else make a similar product and market without infringing on the existing patent.
With this kind of product, I'm doubtful that there'd be much competition, or others around trying to steal it. I also don't think there's a market adequate to support commercial production.
It's fun to talk about and experiment with anyway.
I don't know any other way to explain it at the moment. Well...maybe, if you're old enough. When I was a kid, it was common practice to pack the barrel of an air rifle with mud, and shoot it at other kids. The projectile of mud was produced by the sudden release of air into the barrel. In this application, instead of mud, it's a piston with a rod that can have one's choice of the shape of the business end. Have you ever hooked up a bicycle pump without a check valve to a partially inflated tire, and the pump handle pops out? Imagine a 4" diameter cylinder and piston arrangement, then solenoid valves that instantly release large amounts of air into the cylinder. That piston is gonna pop out faster than the fastest punch, unless the air release is adjusted to moderate the travel. Take a 4" cylinder with 3 liter's volume, dump 50 psi air pressure into it, and output force should be around 200 lbs. That'll deliver a punch.
I also thought of a contraption that operated by compressed air, basically pushing a piston, connected to the punching rod, activated by a solenoid operated large capacity air valve. Remember the old air rifles? Now imagine a few hundred times that amount of air, released into a cylinder. It would require a good air compressor, and a large reserve tank. A cylinder could be made from a length of schedule 40 PVC pipe. The piston could be a disk made from pretty much anything. To maintain a good seal, and keep things from wearing out, leather on the outer edge of the piston could be used, just as done in a bicycle pump. The rod could be made from a length of galvanized pipe, then whatever shape of punching end could be chosen. The piston could be pulled back with a spring, one with fairly low resistance and the ability to stretch a foot or so. I think I would use 1 inch diameter air lines and solenoid. If that didn't work, I'd just double up on the air lines and have two solenoids opening instead of just one. Then it's just a matter of deciding what type of input method to use for operating them. I'm thinking of some kind of computer program that would make it interesting. That would also enable the device to operate from a remote location. This brings me back to and other fantasy, where I'd be restrained against a wall, and guys could pay a little bit via PayPal, so they could punch my gut with a mouse click or something on the keyboard. The "fist" could be made able to move around and aim the punches, vary intensity, or sink it into the gut and just hold it there, back it out partially, then push it in further. I think some guys might find it pretty entertaining.
Just like a human when the lowest level of power is sent to the motor / yes it (the machine) presents itself in the manner of a pushing punch. As you increase current flow to the motor not only does speed of the punch increase (too much faster than you or I could deliver) but also the frequence of the punches. Buy changing the wheel size you can customize the timing that the punches are delivered.
Showing the punching action and effectiveness of the machine is possible without showing the mechanism. Simply by showing a close-up if the gut getting punched by the machine.
The whole process is not only costly but also timely. Considering it has been ongoing for almost two years now. Apparently there is some kind of a conundrum surrounding the whole piston arm mechanism yet the entire idea is patentable. Its all lawyer shit and I don't know anything
Funny you should say that because it's exactly what my lawyer said. He who gets ahead financially from the sales of such things ultimately ends up the winner because once patented you usually become broke, leaving yourself in a position unable to challenge any one for patent infringement anyway. At that point you can sell the patent writes for ?, and likely no one will buy it cause the market is already flooded with the product. Ah one other thing potential for massive liability issues YIKES!!!!
well, also, if you have established yourself in the market, you will saturate mindshare as well.
liability - well, yes, that is one reason why my design is so complicated; coming from Europe where safety is quite highly regarded. plus, I think my design will end up providing a considerably more realistic challenge to the gut, since it offers lots of adjustability on the type of impact of the blow. which might not offer much value for people who just want to get off through prostate stimulation through their ab wall, but will be night and day for fighers seeking a challenge.
"O" really ! Sounds once again like a challenge from your department.
Ha Ha Ha, I can only tell you that there is no human on the planet that possesses the ability or strength to sit in the driver's seat of this machine with the seat positioned such that the punch drives into the body (1/3 the depth of the thickness of your torso) without braking the machine apart. Virtually impossible for that to happen, as the strength of soft tissue is no match for the shear strength of steel. If you happen to be superhuman and poses the strength to stall out the one horsepower electric motor ( not going to happen), simply increase the power or swap out the motor for a higher horsepower unit. At the lowest setting you may be able to endure the driving force but good luck in stopping the mechanism from tearing your ab wall apart unless you relax your abs and absorb the punches . Now set the speed faster and all the power to you (not going to happen) if you attempt to stay tight and resist the punches from caving your gut in you will receive torn ab wall tissue.
The following picture of my gut receiving punches is of the machine delivering the blows at approximately 2/3 power and the punches coming at about about one every second and a half. Believe you me just try to tighten your abs to resist the punch and you'll end up feeling like you've done 10,000 sit ups with in 30 seconds.
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My point exactly - your machine is only good for receiving blows into your relaxed abs, otherwise you get injured; which is completely not what would be relevant for fighters, which is receiving powerful but non-lethal punches and kicks into the flexed midsection.
Wrong!. Just take the seat position back so the punches don't penetrate as deeply and the effect is exactly what you are looking for. Think about it : your abs tight / my heaviest punches applied / your abs will still move inwardly and my punches are going to be somewhat resisted. The only difference with using the machine is that the machine's ability to deliver the punches (unlike a human's) will not be resisted, however here is the AHA! moment. The cushioning effect of the boxing glove simulates the human's inability to keep the punches from continuing threw to the retracting point without restriction. It works flawlessly. Want more human simulation / sensitivity in the inability to complete a punch, simply increase the size (oz.weight) of the boxing glove being used, keeping in mind you want to increase the depth of the frontal cushioning of the glove.
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Well of course it can't be the same (nor can your's) afterall they are both emulating devices. Rest assured that neither device replaces the real thing. Can we at least agree on that my friend?
Good day to all who got wrapped up in our little bantering session / Thanks Ron
The machine will be built with the hardest combat sport athletes in mind, so it will be powerful enough to simulate kicks and knee strikes with super-human speed, strength and power - but also designed to be adjustable down for the lightest use.
For safety, it will be a purely mechanical device storing enegy in springs and weights for just one blow, that you have to mechanically arm and mechanically release each time.
Further down the line a motor assist will be considered to automate arming, but designed in such a way mechanically that a runaway machine is not possible, and the machine still only delivers a blow when the user triggers it mechanically (each triggering needs a full release and press of the triggering mechanism again, so even if the arming motor stays running due to an electrical fault the machine will just idle through a ratchet and not deliver blows).
Later there will be an option of continuous/repeated action, incorporating a mechanical dead man's switch which you have to repeatedly release and depress again during each arming action to continue the arming action; so if you are stunned or incapacitated from a blow, and stop moving, the machine will stop delivering blows immediately, even if you happen to collapse right onto the switch itself.
First machine will be built and available for extensive test driving here in Budapest for interested parties; so be prepared to travel to Budapest for your hardest ever gutpunching/gutkicking action.
Now even the hardest gut guys out there (including me) will finally be able to have their fun too!
I once had a rod connected to a huge commercial mixer, one of those 400 pound kinds. It was like what someone here described here as "a gut pushing machine," but it hit fast enough to lift me off my feet. It lacked the emotional component of having a puncher, but as a punchee, I was surprisingly thrilled. The machine had such power, that there was no change in the tone of the motor or its speed, as it doubled me over and shoved me back. It was as though my gut had no resistance at all. It was a pretty crude set up, a couple of bungee cords keeping the it centered, and height maintained by a 2x4.
I also thought of a contraption that operated by compressed air, basically pushing a piston, connected to the punching rod, activated by a solenoid operated large capacity air valve. Remember the old air rifles? Now imagine a few hundred times that amount of air, released into a cylinder. It would require a good air compressor, and a large reserve tank. A cylinder could be made from a length of schedule 40 PVC pipe. The piston could be a disk made from pretty much anything. To maintain a good seal, and keep things from wearing out, leather on the outer edge of the piston could be used, just as done in a bicycle pump. The rod could be made from a length of galvanized pipe, then whatever shape of punching end could be chosen. The piston could be pulled back with a spring, one with fairly low resistance and the ability to stretch a foot or so. I think I would use 1 inch diameter air lines and solenoid. If that didn't work, I'd just double up on the air lines and have two solenoids opening instead of just one. Then it's just a matter of deciding what type of input method to use for operating them. I'm thinking of some kind of computer program that would make it interesting. That would also enable the device to operate from a remote location. This brings me back to and other fantasy, where I'd be restrained against a wall, and guys could pay a little bit via PayPal, so they could punch my gut with a mouse click or something on the keyboard. The "fist" could be made able to move around and aim the punches, vary intensity, or sink it into the gut and just hold it there, back it out partially, then push it in further. I think some guys might find it pretty entertaining.
There's always a limit to how far a device could travel. Therefore, adjusting the distance between the person and the machine is one way. Another is to vary the amount of air pressure that gets dumped into the cylinder.
I like the mechanical limitation, that was one I was thinking about using as well.
However, if we limit travel mechanically, would the punch be able to go deep enough? I mean, isn't there a range of depths that are necessary for a punch to penetrate, but problematic if the fist is held that deep for a prolonged period with force?
right, but there's some of us who either don't have access to punchers/kickers at all, or got strong guts needing harder impact than most guys can provide and sustain.
I think this machine could be designed to be somewhat like the ones that they have that shoot balls for baseball players to swing at. Just have the machine scan the body and then choose between settings like random, targeted, etc and it could shoot out balls of various sizes and speeds at the target. Could the same be applied to a fist like prop and have settings like uppercut, deep punch, etc? I'm sure the same could be developed. Just depends on who wants to finance the R&D for the machine.
I actually tried this once, buying a pitching machine and taking a few baseballs to my abs. But it stung too much. Maybe softballs would work better. But I think the Traumatizer will be a better gutpunching machine.
Heh, I can't believe I haven't commented on this earlier. Not knowing how this "Traumatizer" works, I would use a linear actuator to propel a heavy weight. The power and speed of the weight could then be controlled fairly easily with a stamp module and some speed controllers. The whole machine would be electric rather then pneumatic which would eliminate air hissing and enable sneaky strikes the user won't hear coming. It would be an interesting project. If I get a prototype up and running I'll be sure to post a video.
Well, I don't think my design could actually hurt someone beyond what they would experience from a punch from a human. The strength of the machine would be dictated by the amperage available to the driver coils which is easy to control using PWM controllers. The only defect that could ever develop with the machine still being functional would be a failure of one of the controllers that fuses the leads and leaves it in a full power mode, although this is very unlikely and would require a very specific failure mode.
Since the controls will be manually operated, the user would be in full control of the strength of the strikes and the timing between them. This eliminates the controls as a possible source of injury. The only appreciable source would come from the user setting the power of the machine to a level they are unable to deal with. Even then I wouldn't be so stupid as to not equip it with a kill switch that would instantly disable it if the user needed to stop.
In short, there is little to no possibility of the control system causing an injury and far more possibility coming from misuse by the user.
Can you explain your proposed setup a bit further?
The linear actuators I usually see are slow and stiff, as they are basically a long threaded rod with a motor turning the rod, causing a carriage attached to the rod with a nut to slide along the length of the rod. I don't think such a device could deliver the necessary speed to imitate a punch - it would be more like a vice closing.
Yeah, I did some searching yesterday and I believe I used the wrong terminology. What I'm looking into now is a linear motor. The actuators are indeed slow, intended for pointing satelite dishes and such. THe motors on the other hand are intended for higher power applications. I have yet to find a price list for them though as they are also intended for industrial applications and the people dealing with them usually have brokers and such. I may just fabcricate my own, magnet windings aren't too hard and the rest of the hardware shouldn't be a problem. The magnet track will be interesting.
Well, don't get too distracted by linear motors for their own sake, you could just as well use a traditional rotary motor with a belt and pulley system to propel a rider/carriage (with the weight attached) down/along a track.
Also a posibility I considered. I was however worried about noise alerting the operator to the machine's actions. So I am giving linear motors a chance first. I won't spend too much time on it but I do wish to see what hardware is out there.
That device has real possibilities for training and contests to see who can take the most of identical gut impacts whether that is number of times, gut location(s), or force.
I have thought about this topic for years and would be willing to pay about $1,000 USD, but such a machine would need numerous devices such as pneumatic tubes to help adjust the strength of the punches. I wish someone would come up with something like a gutpunching machine :)
I've thought about it for years. I know it isn't the same as having an intensely focused puncher in front of you, but it'd be better than nothing. I've made a few things work, but didn't last. One was made from a washing machine, with a metal rod swinging from the top of the agitator. Another was a commercial mixer, the kind used for mixing huge quantities of dough. That one would've lasted forever, but I couldn't keep it hooked up, 'cause it wasn't my kitchen. One thing about that machine is that my gut was no load on the motor. I had a wooden rod attached to it, and if I had made a miscalculation of space between the rod, my gut and the wall, it would've just rammed through my spine. The experience of feeling a device incapable of mercy, or of getting tired, doubling me over repeatedly was incredibly erotic!
More recently, I came up with ideas to modify a treadmill, using the motor and rigging it to a belt driven assembly. Old steam engines had pistons driving the wheels. In this case, it'd be the wheel driving the "piston." With that, the variable speed part is already done. Aiming it for the "sweet spot," and depth of punch would be easy.
Another product of my imagination for entertainment and some fulfillment of eroticism would be to have a machine set up to be watched online, with HD sound and video. Then, have "victims" "forcefully" restrained against a wall. Subscribers could then control the machine with keystrokes or mouse clicks, to pummel the victim's gut according to their taste. Conversation could be two way, but the victim wouldn't have the choice of whether he could see the puncher, or even if he did see the puncher's face, he'd have no way of knowing when the next punch was coming. Knowing that someone's taking great pleasure in making me feel that helpless and controlled does it for me too.
I volunteer to be the first victim if anybody ever designs this remote-online gut punisher.
For my taste not only would the types and intensity of the punches be controlled by the online viewers but also the method of restraint. You could be stretched spread-eagled, arms above the head and legs spread, arms out straight in a T, arms behind the back, full nelson, inverted ... you name it. It would also be cool to have a slightly padded bar that could be activated to come out of the wall behind the guy and could be remotely controlled to push out into the small of his back (to the viewer's preference) to present the victim's gut front and centre and really stretch him out nicely for it.
Machines would not do it for me. For gut punching I need a human who takes pleasure in attacking and crushing my abs and stomach. A machine can't express the pleasure that a sadistic puncher shows when he is destroying a guy's abs and stomach.
All true, but for some, a machine might be the only way to be punched, for a variety of ways. I prefer person-to-person contact, but others might not have that luxury.
I looked at something like this some years ago, whilst delivering repeated forceful blows could be achieved with 2-4 hydrolic rams I could never find a solution for controlling it, sounds easy but would you put yourself in front of something which if malfunctioned could start slamming 5000 psi blows every second into you?
Why 5000 psi?, to similate a punch you need a lot of power, weight and speed, a less powerful ram just won't have the acceleration, do you want a punching machine or a pushing machine?
In the end I opted for a heavy weight on a pulley, it's basically single strike and a long reload but better than no GP if you can't find a good puncher.
The other alternative I came up was joining a muay thai club, body conditioning drills are epic for GP sessions...
Ultimately, it would be great to have a machine that could punch and push. I imagine something where the user could adjust settings; intensity of the punches, target area, depth of the push, length of the session, etc. of course, there could also be an emergency release, just in case. There would also be adjustable restraints. Lay your arms on the armrests, which are then locked into wrist restraints, which then pull your arms back behind you or raise them over your head
Such a machine would be amazing especially if you could vary the punching force, interval between punches and maybe even set a number of punches to be delivered. Would be a great way for takers to test themselves against other takers.
The closest thing I ever came up with was to buy one of those machines that fires baseballs in a batters cage. As long as it was aimed right, you could stand in front of it and take baseballs, or whatever you loaded it with, in the gut. Another was a 4x4 with a rounded end to it, with weights on it, swung on a sling that you could operate yourself. You could even put a boxing glove on the end of it.
I still have my baseball pitching machine. Sadly, haven't used it for years, partly because it stung a lot and partly because I have found suitable punchers.
I gave this some thought about 10 years ago and there actually was a gutpunching machine advertised on an obscure web site. He wanted a $100 deposit on a $1,000 machine. The mailing address was fairly close, so I checked it out. Turned out to be one of those private post office box businesses. As much as I wanted to try out the machine, I declined the offer. Thank goodness because it was all bogus and a fraud, just to get $100 out of me and other customers. But if anyone wants to design a gutpunching machine and build it, I'm all in :)
Has anyone ever heard of, or thought about, a gut punching machine? I'm sure something like this must be possible. Just need someone with the expertise and motivation to create it :-) I'd buy it.
AbPuncher2 (1 )
20/8/2020 08:16Anyone know what happened to The Traumatizer?
https://www.darkflicks.com/Previews/EXECUTING_HONEY_Preview.MP4
IOWA SUBMISSION (1)
23/8/2020 04:32(em resposta à...)
What a hottie,, dam,, she is one sexy babe
mekmall (27)
21/8/2020 07:57(em resposta à...)
Where can we buy this machine! Wow very cool!
Punch77 (10)
31/1/2020 09:02Any french puncher here ?
AbPuncher2 (1 )
29/1/2020 05:23This animation shows a great concept for a gut punching machine:
blueorca (5)
31/1/2020 22:11(em resposta à...)
There are commercially available handheld massage machine. Just a starter
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ikf (23 )
29/1/2020 09:05(em resposta à...)
You say this is a comcept - so how would it be realized? What kind of energy source, what kind of actuator, etc.?
slimp (0)
31/1/2020 04:13(em resposta à...)
Way back a long time ago, I posted some possibilities in this thread. I could see a few potential gizmos. Maybe an air actuated cylinder - sudden blast of air sends a plunger with a rod/"fist" connected to it. I was thinking about a four inch PVC pipe, compressed air, piped to a large solenoid valve, for the trigger. Something like that could very closely approximate a punch.
Another method would to take apart a treadmill, fabricate a piston type action (like an eccentric cam} or even figuring out to make use of a bicycle crank connected to the motor, with a rod connected, guided to the target by brackets, with a "fist" at the end. The controller from the treadmill could vary the speed of the strokes.
If I were single, I'd probably make one or more devices.
I'd also really love to make some kind of interactive design that would allow someone from a remote location, like MF chat for example, to activate the punching device while observing me or some other punchee on camera. Cam to cam would be even better, as there's something about seeing the expression on a guy's face when he knows he's causing pain and driving out those delightful grunts.
No doubt there's a way to activate a punching device with a mouse click, or other keystroke. I know it's not the same as an in person encounter, but with guys who are into this are spread so far apart, it might be an entertaining alternative.
GruntOutLoud (0)
31/1/2020 19:16(em resposta à...)
I like the idea of the remote, and the cam to cam, or cam for a roomful of punchers. There are vibrators that you can send the code to someone online so they can control it. So you could likely come up with the same WiFi controls for a punching machine, if one was created.
There's also now a WiFi chastity device called the CellMate that can be activated unlocked from anywhere in the World.
Probably not enough people into GP to make it worthwhile for a company to invent and sell though, unfortunately.
I'd love to be locked into a GP machine while on cam in a GP chatroom, and have some sort of online game that would give the winner control to an onscreen control for the machine. Each round of the game another winner gets their hands on the remote. The room could vote on how long I get locked onto/into the machine.
A cool thing about this is the "puncher" is poking buttons on the screen, so you can't prepare for the type of punch you're going to get ... face-to-face you can more or less tell what's coming, unless you're blindfolded, and even then you can hear and sense the amount of effort that's coming at you. With the remote you can see the glint in the "puncher's" eyes, that fun, sadistic look, but you can't judge how hard you're going to get hit, or what type of punch.
The machine should have controls for type of punch, where on the punchee's body, weight of the punch in PSI, depth of punch (into the stomach), a way to lock the punchee in, maybe a timer (for self-punishment), it would also be cool to have a way to stretch out the punchee's torso (also measured in PSI). Personally, I like to take a punch to a stretched-out gut, so I'd definitely want that option.
lotta t (10)
21/8/2020 07:43(em resposta à...)
I would love that kind of rp, an online game where the loser can be punished remotely by the others would be really exciting
slimp (0)
22/8/2020 04:15(em resposta à...)
I just wish there were some videos of guys receiving the same treatment. That is a nice device though.
AbPuncher2 (1 )
29/1/2020 09:49(em resposta à...)
That’s beyond my knowledge. I just like the idea. More capable minds would have to make it happen 😉
BoxerCoachinmd (60)
11/12/2018 05:29If you have a heavy bag you have a simple but effective gut punching machine.Adjust the height so that when it's swung it comes back and hits you in your "sweet spot" where ever you've placed it.
I've been doing this for years to toughen up the gut. I recommend wearing a cup, or not, depending how hard your nads are...LOL... Once you're used to this concept, try closing your eyes, and also pushing the bag away at different heights so you don't know exactly when it will make impact. Pushing the bag away to make it swing is also good for the arms.
Cheers, Coach
bryanburnsbp (0)
23/10/2018 01:56The thought of a gut punching machine is thrilling!
greggutpunch (2 )
26/10/2018 05:27(em resposta à...)
I've got the parts purchased...I'll keep you updated.
greggutpunch (2 )
26/10/2018 05:27(em resposta à...)
I've got the parts purchased...I'll keep you updated.
sdj58 (29 )
08/5/2019 21:12(em resposta à...)
Can you share the plans? I've been looking for a really heavy puncher, and I'm thinking I'm going to need to lock myself into a machine to hurt me.
Rock gut (2)
29/5/2019 14:20(em resposta à...)
Same here !
greggutpunch (2 )
22/9/2018 19:08I will fabricate a machine with the help of anyone who has a good design idea. The electronics and pneumatics aren't something I"m familiar with, however, with some guidance I can apply them. The traumatizer is a great design. I have looked to gym equipment for design ideas due to the need for it to be fully adjustible, eg. height of the taker, force of the punch. My idea was a pendulum idea with a cam at the top that would be powered by a variable speed motor. A counter balance would adjust the force of the punch. It's big and bulky...I want something smaller.
Another design I thought of is very similar to the traumatizer, but uses a spring, similar to one in a car's suspension...pulled back with a cam then released rapidly. Tension would be adjusted with a knob on a bolt...similar to what you would see in a clay pigeon thrower.
I'm very open to working on this with someone. anybody want to team up?
What I like about the machine is the convenience. I can get home, take some punches, and go about the rest of my evening...
sdj58 (29 )
10/12/2018 23:42(em resposta à...)
Can I help you test this? I can sign a waiver if you want to demonstrate what happens to someone when you set it to it’s highest level and walk away.
tough gut (6)
11/12/2018 00:13(em resposta à...)
Hey sdj58 no waiver that you sign expunges anyone from liability in a possible injury or death caused unintentionally.
Rock gut (2)
22/9/2018 19:16(em resposta à...)
You look like the only machine I would ever need. Seriously, I'll be following this with an open gut. ( I mean open mind ).
Rt ND Guts (4)
18/9/2018 01:22Currently working on a simple gutpunching machine. It won't take long to build. and the most expensive part will be the motor (I'll be using a grinder motor) The motor was a swap-meet (like a garage sale) motor I bought for 20 bucks and the speed controller I bought for another 10. The power will be controlled by a series of elastic bands or surgical tubing. and the frequency controlled by the speed. The overall cost of construction will be approximately 100-120, depending on materials. I'm considering the punching surface will be a small softball I'll be able to put a glove over. Once I have the thing built and tested I'll post the designs and specs here
Rock gut (2)
20/9/2018 20:56(em resposta à...)
I'm serious. With both arms tied behind my back ( lying on my back or against a wall) - set the machine at Max and the timer for 1 hour. Come back and check on me after 60 minutes. tough gut can monitor.
tough gut (6)
06/10/2018 18:13(em resposta à...)
Are you implying me ? / if so not interested / And no thanks for your interest Rock gut !
Rock gut (2)
29/5/2019 14:23(em resposta à...)
tough gut: Why would you think I'm replying to YOU ? No interest in you whatsoever !!!
Rock gut (2)
19/9/2018 13:07(em resposta à...)
Really interested in this. If it can break down MY hard abs then I would be interested in testing it. Set it for ONE HOUR and hope I don't break it. This would DEFINITELY make a HOT one hour video. Você precisa efetuar login com seu usuário e senha para visualizar a galeria de fotos.
tough gut (6)
20/9/2018 18:00(em resposta à...)
such arrogance
Rock gut (2)
26/10/2018 12:46(em resposta à...)
My arrogance is well earned.
tough gut (6)
26/10/2018 18:42(em resposta à...)
In case you haven't noticed your shit stinks like everyone elses
Rock gut (2)
20/9/2018 20:06(em resposta à...)
Wanna challenge me ? Você precisa efetuar login com seu usuário e senha para visualizar a galeria de fotos.
lthrfight43 (0)
19/9/2018 10:29(em resposta à...)
Sounds brilliant look forward to seeing it
hardabs1 (23)
18/9/2018 07:33(em resposta à...)
Sounds great to me. Can't wait to see your designs.
AbPuncher2 (1 )
18/9/2018 05:42(em resposta à...)
Nice! I look forward to seeing it
Bellydemon (0)
09/8/2018 23:56OMG. Get a boyfriend who's into it.
WeeknightsGP (1 )
12/7/2018 23:27Getting punched by a machine sounds like fun. But I prefer a real man to punch me. Besides, I can’t suck off a machine when we’re finished.
Rt ND Guts (4)
18/9/2018 04:00(em resposta à...)
I couldn't agree with you more but it seems there are far more guys "into gutpunching" than there are actual participants. I'd much rather trade punches with a partner but more times than not, that option isn't available. A machine won't cancel on me, say I'm the wrong body type or too old. On top of that, If I add a few more options, it'll be just as brutal. Maybe I can toss a vocoder in there and it'll do the taunting as well.
WeeknightsGP (1 )
04/10/2018 19:24(em resposta à...)
Keep it up, mister. I've enjoyed your videos elsewhere, so I know you're serious about GP. Whatever machine you come up with will be great, i'm certain.
BatmanMan (2)
21/7/2018 03:18(em resposta à...)
Some engineering student on Youtube made a simply GP machine:
hardabs1 (23)
13/7/2018 01:09(em resposta à...)
All true, but sometimes it's hard to find someone to do the punching. That's where the machine comes in. Doesn't complain, doesn't get tired, always there when you need it :)
Rock gut (2)
10/8/2018 21:36(em resposta à...)
I'm with hardabs1 on this. I need a machine I can set to keep going for 1 hour.
mibarrigaestuya (1 )
20/7/2018 09:25(em resposta à...)
please tied my hands and punch me in my belly button one and other time start the punch machine
ikf (23 )
17/2/2016 21:57I have found a gym equipment builder/vendor company here now that is willing to work with me on this, and I am set on having one built.
So anyone who is interested in this: we should start coming up with a design.
Any pieces and parts that you see in gym equipment (think weight machines) is possible. Frames, telescopic beams/rods with holes/pins to adjust, cams, cables, pulleys, weight sliding bars, weight plates, cushions, etc.
They even have a release mechanism so that one person operation is possible: one can arm the machine (by lifting up some weights and/or pulling some springs) first, then step into the target point and release the stored energy.
As energy storage elements we can use springs of any strength and weight plates.
End effector can be moulded from hard rubber (various hardnesses available) into any shape of our choosing (smaller one for simulating punches, larger ones for simulating kicks), and can be interchanged.
So start thinking guys! Let's make this happen!
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 07:40(em resposta à...)
Way to complicated my friend. I already made a machine that works just great. Picture yourself sitting in a seated leg press machine with the chair seat adjustable forwards and backwards with incremental adjustments as to bring yourself closer to a punching apparatus. You can also raise and or lower the height of the seat independently of the punching apparatus. The seat back can be adjusted (tilted) backwardly on an angle in order to place your body in a position as to replicate un uppercut punch. The punching apparatus and the seating mechanism are connected together so they don't separate from each other while the punching apparatus is in motion delivering gut punches. The punching apparatus is a very simple variable speed one horsepower electric motor control by a rheostat placed within an arm's reach for adjusting the speed from 0 to100% speed. The motor is directly connected to a large and interchangeable size wheel connecting to an arm (much like an old style steam engine train wheel is connected to its drive arm). The end of the arm is shaped like a fist and you simply place a boxing glove over the end and or change the size of boxing glove to suite the desired punch impact that you want your gut to absorb.
guyaskinforit (0)
23/2/2016 07:01(em resposta à...)
Along those lines, I thought about re-purposing a lot of a treadmill mechanism. The rheostat is there for variable speed, the DC motor with far more than enough power. The tilt mechanism can be used to adjust depth. Some even have programmable workout routines that could be adjusted for this purpose. But still, that's more like a gut pushing machine, although I'd still get a lot out of it.
My idea along these lines and both yours are Rube Goldbergs, compared to the idea I originally posted below. It has way less moving parts, and will deliver actual punches. I might build one, but have no interest in marketing it.
Once a patent is applied for, the inventor is protected. Lots of products are on the market without patent, but with patents pending. It's necessary to be clever about exactly what is being patented. I'm not a patent expert, but it appears that many times, a product is developed with patent application, then someone else comes along, and makes a minor change in the product, thereby able to claim it's patent-able in the name of the idea thief. The patent needs to encompass the entire idea, along with all permutations imaginable. That makes it difficult for someone else make a similar product and market without infringing on the existing patent.
With this kind of product, I'm doubtful that there'd be much competition, or others around trying to steal it. I also don't think there's a market adequate to support commercial production.
It's fun to talk about and experiment with anyway.
ikf (23 )
23/2/2016 11:50(em resposta à...)
"It has way less moving parts, and will deliver actual punches." - which idea was that delivered actual punches?
guyaskinforit (0)
28/2/2016 05:51(em resposta à...)
I don't know any other way to explain it at the moment. Well...maybe, if you're old enough. When I was a kid, it was common practice to pack the barrel of an air rifle with mud, and shoot it at other kids. The projectile of mud was produced by the sudden release of air into the barrel. In this application, instead of mud, it's a piston with a rod that can have one's choice of the shape of the business end. Have you ever hooked up a bicycle pump without a check valve to a partially inflated tire, and the pump handle pops out? Imagine a 4" diameter cylinder and piston arrangement, then solenoid valves that instantly release large amounts of air into the cylinder. That piston is gonna pop out faster than the fastest punch, unless the air release is adjusted to moderate the travel. Take a 4" cylinder with 3 liter's volume, dump 50 psi air pressure into it, and output force should be around 200 lbs. That'll deliver a punch.
guyaskinforit (0)
24/2/2016 06:20(em resposta à...)
Here's part of the post where I talked about it:
I also thought of a contraption that operated by compressed air, basically pushing a piston, connected to the punching rod, activated by a solenoid operated large capacity air valve. Remember the old air rifles? Now imagine a few hundred times that amount of air, released into a cylinder. It would require a good air compressor, and a large reserve tank. A cylinder could be made from a length of schedule 40 PVC pipe. The piston could be a disk made from pretty much anything. To maintain a good seal, and keep things from wearing out, leather on the outer edge of the piston could be used, just as done in a bicycle pump. The rod could be made from a length of galvanized pipe, then whatever shape of punching end could be chosen. The piston could be pulled back with a spring, one with fairly low resistance and the ability to stretch a foot or so. I think I would use 1 inch diameter air lines and solenoid. If that didn't work, I'd just double up on the air lines and have two solenoids opening instead of just one. Then it's just a matter of deciding what type of input method to use for operating them. I'm thinking of some kind of computer program that would make it interesting. That would also enable the device to operate from a remote location. This brings me back to and other fantasy, where I'd be restrained against a wall, and guys could pay a little bit via PayPal, so they could punch my gut with a mouse click or something on the keyboard. The "fist" could be made able to move around and aim the punches, vary intensity, or sink it into the gut and just hold it there, back it out partially, then push it in further. I think some guys might find it pretty entertaining.
ikf (23 )
21/2/2016 11:15(em resposta à...)
Temptingly simple, but please post a few pics or videos of this so that we can better understand the arrangement, and also to see the power of impact.
Also, isn't this more like a gut pushing machine, instead of a gut punching machine?
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 16:37(em resposta à...)
Just like a human when the lowest level of power is sent to the motor / yes it (the machine) presents itself in the manner of a pushing punch. As you increase current flow to the motor not only does speed of the punch increase (too much faster than you or I could deliver) but also the frequence of the punches. Buy changing the wheel size you can customize the timing that the punches are delivered.
Rock gut (2)
10/8/2018 21:39(em resposta à...)
I definitely would want one of those !
ikf (23 )
21/2/2016 16:40(em resposta à...)
send me a video in action
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 16:45(em resposta à...)
No No No this is my puppy for patent Ha Ha Ha
world wide proceedings in motion
Rt ND Guts (4)
11/7/2018 17:17(em resposta à...)
Showing the punching action and effectiveness of the machine is possible without showing the mechanism. Simply by showing a close-up if the gut getting punched by the machine.
tough gut (6)
12/7/2018 19:28(em resposta à...)
Yes correct and those pics are in my gallery
ikf (23 )
21/2/2016 16:51(em resposta à...)
oh, getting patented? ok, then I won't meddle in that. how long will that take?
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 17:02(em resposta à...)
The whole process is not only costly but also timely. Considering it has been ongoing for almost two years now. Apparently there is some kind of a conundrum surrounding the whole piston arm mechanism yet the entire idea is patentable. Its all lawyer shit and I don't know anything
ikf (23 )
21/2/2016 17:04(em resposta à...)
ok, then I won't wait with mine.
in the meantime you should start selling yours! let's see how much of a market is out there!
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 17:27(em resposta à...)
Funny you should say that because it's exactly what my lawyer said. He who gets ahead financially from the sales of such things ultimately ends up the winner because once patented you usually become broke, leaving yourself in a position unable to challenge any one for patent infringement anyway. At that point you can sell the patent writes for ?, and likely no one will buy it cause the market is already flooded with the product. Ah one other thing potential for massive liability issues YIKES!!!!
ikf (23 )
21/2/2016 17:36(em resposta à...)
well, also, if you have established yourself in the market, you will saturate mindshare as well.
liability - well, yes, that is one reason why my design is so complicated; coming from Europe where safety is quite highly regarded. plus, I think my design will end up providing a considerably more realistic challenge to the gut, since it offers lots of adjustability on the type of impact of the blow. which might not offer much value for people who just want to get off through prostate stimulation through their ab wall, but will be night and day for fighers seeking a challenge.
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 20:26(em resposta à...)
"O" really ! Sounds once again like a challenge from your department.
Ha Ha Ha, I can only tell you that there is no human on the planet that possesses the ability or strength to sit in the driver's seat of this machine with the seat positioned such that the punch drives into the body (1/3 the depth of the thickness of your torso) without braking the machine apart. Virtually impossible for that to happen, as the strength of soft tissue is no match for the shear strength of steel. If you happen to be superhuman and poses the strength to stall out the one horsepower electric motor ( not going to happen), simply increase the power or swap out the motor for a higher horsepower unit. At the lowest setting you may be able to endure the driving force but good luck in stopping the mechanism from tearing your ab wall apart unless you relax your abs and absorb the punches . Now set the speed faster and all the power to you (not going to happen) if you attempt to stay tight and resist the punches from caving your gut in you will receive torn ab wall tissue.
The following picture of my gut receiving punches is of the machine delivering the blows at approximately 2/3 power and the punches coming at about about one every second and a half. Believe you me just try to tighten your abs to resist the punch and you'll end up feeling like you've done 10,000 sit ups with in 30 seconds. Você precisa efetuar login com seu usuário e senha para visualizar a galeria de fotos.
ikf (23 )
21/2/2016 20:45(em resposta à...)
My point exactly - your machine is only good for receiving blows into your relaxed abs, otherwise you get injured; which is completely not what would be relevant for fighters, which is receiving powerful but non-lethal punches and kicks into the flexed midsection.
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 21:26(em resposta à...)
Wrong!. Just take the seat position back so the punches don't penetrate as deeply and the effect is exactly what you are looking for. Think about it : your abs tight / my heaviest punches applied / your abs will still move inwardly and my punches are going to be somewhat resisted. The only difference with using the machine is that the machine's ability to deliver the punches (unlike a human's) will not be resisted, however here is the AHA! moment. The cushioning effect of the boxing glove simulates the human's inability to keep the punches from continuing threw to the retracting point without restriction. It works flawlessly. Want more human simulation / sensitivity in the inability to complete a punch, simply increase the size (oz.weight) of the boxing glove being used, keeping in mind you want to increase the depth of the frontal cushioning of the glove. Você precisa efetuar login com seu usuário e senha para visualizar a galeria de fotos.
ikf (23 )
21/2/2016 21:35(em resposta à...)
I see your point, but am still not sure how closely the cushioning action of the glove would simulate the penetration dynamics of a kick or a knee...
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 21:43(em resposta à...)
Well of course it can't be the same (nor can your's) afterall they are both emulating devices. Rest assured that neither device replaces the real thing. Can we at least agree on that my friend?
Good day to all who got wrapped up in our little bantering session / Thanks Ron
ikf (23 )
21/2/2016 21:56(em resposta à...)
We will see.
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 22:09(em resposta à...)
You are relentless you little _________
LoL we got to get a work over in don't ya think Você precisa efetuar login com seu usuário e senha para visualizar a galeria de fotos.
hardabs1 (23)
21/2/2016 08:38(em resposta à...)
So where can I buy such a machine? :-)
tough gut (6)
21/2/2016 16:41(em resposta à...)
you can't as of yet
FistsInGut (10)
20/2/2016 09:34(em resposta à...)
Interesting. I like the real deal tho but I might get one!
ikf (23 )
17/2/2016 22:26(em resposta à...)
The machine will be built with the hardest combat sport athletes in mind, so it will be powerful enough to simulate kicks and knee strikes with super-human speed, strength and power - but also designed to be adjustable down for the lightest use.
For safety, it will be a purely mechanical device storing enegy in springs and weights for just one blow, that you have to mechanically arm and mechanically release each time.
Further down the line a motor assist will be considered to automate arming, but designed in such a way mechanically that a runaway machine is not possible, and the machine still only delivers a blow when the user triggers it mechanically (each triggering needs a full release and press of the triggering mechanism again, so even if the arming motor stays running due to an electrical fault the machine will just idle through a ratchet and not deliver blows).
Later there will be an option of continuous/repeated action, incorporating a mechanical dead man's switch which you have to repeatedly release and depress again during each arming action to continue the arming action; so if you are stunned or incapacitated from a blow, and stop moving, the machine will stop delivering blows immediately, even if you happen to collapse right onto the switch itself.
First machine will be built and available for extensive test driving here in Budapest for interested parties; so be prepared to travel to Budapest for your hardest ever gutpunching/gutkicking action.
Now even the hardest gut guys out there (including me) will finally be able to have their fun too!
hardabs1 (23)
11/7/2018 17:32(em resposta à...)
So, is this machine ready for purchase???
tough gut (6)
12/7/2018 19:31(em resposta à...)
Sorry project became redundant / cost vs return & liability issues
hardabs1 (23)
18/2/2016 06:29(em resposta à...)
I like the idea and will help in any way I can. But since I am not mechanically inclined, I can't help with the design. Good luck and keep me posted!
abs007 (1)
17/1/2016 16:34Something suspended above my body stretched out that I could release to hit me at a certain place in my stomach
ikf (23 )
18/1/2016 00:21(em resposta à...)
You'll have to do better than that if we want to actually build something.
guyaskinforit (0)
13/1/2016 07:12I once had a rod connected to a huge commercial mixer, one of those 400 pound kinds. It was like what someone here described here as "a gut pushing machine," but it hit fast enough to lift me off my feet. It lacked the emotional component of having a puncher, but as a punchee, I was surprisingly thrilled. The machine had such power, that there was no change in the tone of the motor or its speed, as it doubled me over and shoved me back. It was as though my gut had no resistance at all. It was a pretty crude set up, a couple of bungee cords keeping the it centered, and height maintained by a 2x4.
I also thought of a contraption that operated by compressed air, basically pushing a piston, connected to the punching rod, activated by a solenoid operated large capacity air valve. Remember the old air rifles? Now imagine a few hundred times that amount of air, released into a cylinder. It would require a good air compressor, and a large reserve tank. A cylinder could be made from a length of schedule 40 PVC pipe. The piston could be a disk made from pretty much anything. To maintain a good seal, and keep things from wearing out, leather on the outer edge of the piston could be used, just as done in a bicycle pump. The rod could be made from a length of galvanized pipe, then whatever shape of punching end could be chosen. The piston could be pulled back with a spring, one with fairly low resistance and the ability to stretch a foot or so. I think I would use 1 inch diameter air lines and solenoid. If that didn't work, I'd just double up on the air lines and have two solenoids opening instead of just one. Then it's just a matter of deciding what type of input method to use for operating them. I'm thinking of some kind of computer program that would make it interesting. That would also enable the device to operate from a remote location. This brings me back to and other fantasy, where I'd be restrained against a wall, and guys could pay a little bit via PayPal, so they could punch my gut with a mouse click or something on the keyboard. The "fist" could be made able to move around and aim the punches, vary intensity, or sink it into the gut and just hold it there, back it out partially, then push it in further. I think some guys might find it pretty entertaining.
dave1701 (4)
15/1/2016 18:10(em resposta à...)
check this out https://www.facebook.com/Jennahartfield2014/videos/462524583948403/?theater#
guyaskinforit (0)
18/1/2016 07:58(em resposta à...)
That's pretty perfect!
ikf (23 )
15/1/2016 23:30(em resposta à...)
this is the "Traumatizer" that was mentioned below.
ikf (23 )
13/1/2016 09:26(em resposta à...)
I have to ask the same question from you as well then: how would you design for safety?
guyaskinforit (0)
15/1/2016 07:53(em resposta à...)
There's always a limit to how far a device could travel. Therefore, adjusting the distance between the person and the machine is one way. Another is to vary the amount of air pressure that gets dumped into the cylinder.
ikf (23 )
15/1/2016 11:12(em resposta à...)
I like the mechanical limitation, that was one I was thinking about using as well.
However, if we limit travel mechanically, would the punch be able to go deep enough? I mean, isn't there a range of depths that are necessary for a punch to penetrate, but problematic if the fist is held that deep for a prolonged period with force?
DavidW (0)
10/1/2016 22:22I would miss the "emotional content" that Bruce Lee talked about.
ikf (23 )
11/1/2016 06:44(em resposta à...)
right, but there's some of us who either don't have access to punchers/kickers at all, or got strong guts needing harder impact than most guys can provide and sustain.
DavidW (0)
13/1/2016 21:35(em resposta à...)
I understand your point but I crave the "emotional content".
ikf (23 )
13/1/2016 21:36(em resposta à...)
That's great, but then this topic is probably not for you.
Magneto (12)
10/1/2016 15:32I think this machine could be designed to be somewhat like the ones that they have that shoot balls for baseball players to swing at. Just have the machine scan the body and then choose between settings like random, targeted, etc and it could shoot out balls of various sizes and speeds at the target. Could the same be applied to a fist like prop and have settings like uppercut, deep punch, etc? I'm sure the same could be developed. Just depends on who wants to finance the R&D for the machine.
hardabs1 (23)
11/1/2016 06:58(em resposta à...)
I actually tried this once, buying a pitching machine and taking a few baseballs to my abs. But it stung too much. Maybe softballs would work better. But I think the Traumatizer will be a better gutpunching machine.
ikf (23 )
10/1/2016 16:46(em resposta à...)
Magneto, please elaborate a bit on how your concept would work. How would the projectiles get back into the machine?
Hyede (5)
09/1/2016 23:06Heh, I can't believe I haven't commented on this earlier. Not knowing how this "Traumatizer" works, I would use a linear actuator to propel a heavy weight. The power and speed of the weight could then be controlled fairly easily with a stamp module and some speed controllers. The whole machine would be electric rather then pneumatic which would eliminate air hissing and enable sneaky strikes the user won't hear coming. It would be an interesting project. If I get a prototype up and running I'll be sure to post a video.
ikf (23 )
10/1/2016 00:24(em resposta à...)
how would you avoid the potential of injuries arising out of defects of the control system? (think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 )
Hyede (5)
10/1/2016 04:53(em resposta à...)
Well, I don't think my design could actually hurt someone beyond what they would experience from a punch from a human. The strength of the machine would be dictated by the amperage available to the driver coils which is easy to control using PWM controllers. The only defect that could ever develop with the machine still being functional would be a failure of one of the controllers that fuses the leads and leaves it in a full power mode, although this is very unlikely and would require a very specific failure mode.
Since the controls will be manually operated, the user would be in full control of the strength of the strikes and the timing between them. This eliminates the controls as a possible source of injury. The only appreciable source would come from the user setting the power of the machine to a level they are unable to deal with. Even then I wouldn't be so stupid as to not equip it with a kill switch that would instantly disable it if the user needed to stop.
In short, there is little to no possibility of the control system causing an injury and far more possibility coming from misuse by the user.
ikf (23 )
10/1/2016 10:56(em resposta à...)
Thank you for cooperating on this.
Can you explain your proposed setup a bit further?
The linear actuators I usually see are slow and stiff, as they are basically a long threaded rod with a motor turning the rod, causing a carriage attached to the rod with a nut to slide along the length of the rod. I don't think such a device could deliver the necessary speed to imitate a punch - it would be more like a vice closing.
What would your proposed linear actuator be?
Hyede (5)
10/1/2016 16:04(em resposta à...)
Yeah, I did some searching yesterday and I believe I used the wrong terminology. What I'm looking into now is a linear motor. The actuators are indeed slow, intended for pointing satelite dishes and such. THe motors on the other hand are intended for higher power applications. I have yet to find a price list for them though as they are also intended for industrial applications and the people dealing with them usually have brokers and such. I may just fabcricate my own, magnet windings aren't too hard and the rest of the hardware shouldn't be a problem. The magnet track will be interesting.
ikf (23 )
10/1/2016 16:48(em resposta à...)
Ahh, linear motors, right.
Okay, so the linear motor accelerates a weight into the gut.
What are your calculations for the required speed and mass of the weight?
Hyede (5)
10/1/2016 16:56(em resposta à...)
I haven't gotten that far yet. Right now just looking for hardware that looks promising.
ikf (23 )
10/1/2016 17:04(em resposta à...)
Well, don't get too distracted by linear motors for their own sake, you could just as well use a traditional rotary motor with a belt and pulley system to propel a rider/carriage (with the weight attached) down/along a track.
ikf (23 )
14/1/2016 19:05(em resposta à...)
Hyede, any update on your research?
Hyede (5)
10/1/2016 17:12(em resposta à...)
Also a posibility I considered. I was however worried about noise alerting the operator to the machine's actions. So I am giving linear motors a chance first. I won't spend too much time on it but I do wish to see what hardware is out there.
ikf (23 )
10/1/2016 17:17(em resposta à...)
Ok, I'm curious what you'll find.
jed7720 (13)
08/1/2016 14:11look at "Traumatizer" the site is bellypain.com
jill had listed it on ebay for 1000.00
Mutz (0)
25/2/2016 11:14(em resposta à...)
Here's the links guys…
hardabs1 (23)
09/1/2016 06:44(em resposta à...)
I would be interested in talking to anyone who has purchased the Traumatizer. I tried to find it on Ebay but had no luck there.
Gutstrike (4)
08/1/2016 20:00(em resposta à...)
That device has real possibilities for training and contests to see who can take the most of identical gut impacts whether that is number of times, gut location(s), or force.
ikf (23 )
09/1/2016 08:49(em resposta à...)
any chance you could post a link that shows what is being talked about? I was unable to find it on that site.
ikf (23 )
08/1/2016 16:32(em resposta à...)
I don't want to delve into that site, post a link please.
ikf (23 )
08/1/2016 03:47anybody working on one?
how much would you guys consider spending on one?
hardabs1 (23)
08/1/2016 04:06(em resposta à...)
I have thought about this topic for years and would be willing to pay about $1,000 USD, but such a machine would need numerous devices such as pneumatic tubes to help adjust the strength of the punches. I wish someone would come up with something like a gutpunching machine :)
guyaskinforit (0)
10/7/2015 05:09I've thought about it for years. I know it isn't the same as having an intensely focused puncher in front of you, but it'd be better than nothing. I've made a few things work, but didn't last. One was made from a washing machine, with a metal rod swinging from the top of the agitator. Another was a commercial mixer, the kind used for mixing huge quantities of dough. That one would've lasted forever, but I couldn't keep it hooked up, 'cause it wasn't my kitchen. One thing about that machine is that my gut was no load on the motor. I had a wooden rod attached to it, and if I had made a miscalculation of space between the rod, my gut and the wall, it would've just rammed through my spine. The experience of feeling a device incapable of mercy, or of getting tired, doubling me over repeatedly was incredibly erotic!
More recently, I came up with ideas to modify a treadmill, using the motor and rigging it to a belt driven assembly. Old steam engines had pistons driving the wheels. In this case, it'd be the wheel driving the "piston." With that, the variable speed part is already done. Aiming it for the "sweet spot," and depth of punch would be easy.
Another product of my imagination for entertainment and some fulfillment of eroticism would be to have a machine set up to be watched online, with HD sound and video. Then, have "victims" "forcefully" restrained against a wall. Subscribers could then control the machine with keystrokes or mouse clicks, to pummel the victim's gut according to their taste. Conversation could be two way, but the victim wouldn't have the choice of whether he could see the puncher, or even if he did see the puncher's face, he'd have no way of knowing when the next punch was coming. Knowing that someone's taking great pleasure in making me feel that helpless and controlled does it for me too.
GruntOutLoud (0)
08/1/2016 05:16(em resposta à...)
I volunteer to be the first victim if anybody ever designs this remote-online gut punisher.
For my taste not only would the types and intensity of the punches be controlled by the online viewers but also the method of restraint. You could be stretched spread-eagled, arms above the head and legs spread, arms out straight in a T, arms behind the back, full nelson, inverted ... you name it. It would also be cool to have a slightly padded bar that could be activated to come out of the wall behind the guy and could be remotely controlled to push out into the small of his back (to the viewer's preference) to present the victim's gut front and centre and really stretch him out nicely for it.
Any inventors out there into GP? Bring it boys!
ikf (23 )
08/1/2016 07:09(em resposta à...)
and how much would you pay for this?
GruntOutLoud (0)
08/1/2016 14:51(em resposta à...)
I'd like to pay for it by being the demo boy for the prototype. Take it out in trade. Use me for the victim in the "infomercials".
The inventor decides how many sessions I'm going to have to take to earn a free machine.
ikf (23 )
08/1/2016 16:33(em resposta à...)
ok, so if you don't pay for it, who will?
AbPuncher2 (1 )
10/7/2015 07:00(em resposta à...)
Great idea. Love your online idea too. Have to find a way to make it happen
Attack the Stomach (1)
10/7/2015 02:38Machines would not do it for me. For gut punching I need a human who takes pleasure in attacking and crushing my abs and stomach. A machine can't express the pleasure that a sadistic puncher shows when he is destroying a guy's abs and stomach.
takeabeating (2)
07/11/2015 01:19(em resposta à...)
When I was teenager I hung a 10 lb weight from my chin-up bar. Measured the rope so that the weight would hit my gut
I'd throw the weight as hard as I could away from me when it swung back it hit me hard in the gut
Worked well until the day the rope broke when I threw the weight. The weight landed on my bookcase and broke a lot stuff
tough gut (6)
23/2/2016 16:21(em resposta à...)
Ya Us or we boxer wanna-bezs aint the smartest are we lol !
hardabs1 (23)
10/7/2015 03:13(em resposta à...)
All true, but for some, a machine might be the only way to be punched, for a variety of ways. I prefer person-to-person contact, but others might not have that luxury.
andrewj (21)
04/7/2015 12:56I looked at something like this some years ago, whilst delivering repeated forceful blows could be achieved with 2-4 hydrolic rams I could never find a solution for controlling it, sounds easy but would you put yourself in front of something which if malfunctioned could start slamming 5000 psi blows every second into you?
Why 5000 psi?, to similate a punch you need a lot of power, weight and speed, a less powerful ram just won't have the acceleration, do you want a punching machine or a pushing machine?
In the end I opted for a heavy weight on a pulley, it's basically single strike and a long reload but better than no GP if you can't find a good puncher.
The other alternative I came up was joining a muay thai club, body conditioning drills are epic for GP sessions...
AbPuncher2 (1 )
05/7/2015 05:54(em resposta à...)
Ultimately, it would be great to have a machine that could punch and push. I imagine something where the user could adjust settings; intensity of the punches, target area, depth of the push, length of the session, etc. of course, there could also be an emergency release, just in case. There would also be adjustable restraints. Lay your arms on the armrests, which are then locked into wrist restraints, which then pull your arms back behind you or raise them over your head
hardabs1 (23)
05/7/2015 07:34(em resposta à...)
Love the imagination!!! If you find such a machine, I'm all in :)
ArmwrestleAndMore (165 )
04/7/2015 12:31Such a machine would be amazing especially if you could vary the punching force, interval between punches and maybe even set a number of punches to be delivered. Would be a great way for takers to test themselves against other takers.
abs007 (1)
06/7/2015 15:59(em resposta à...)
Looks like your stomach can take a lot of punishment. Yes?
friar155 (12)
05/7/2015 19:20(em resposta à...)
love the idea
abs007 (1)
04/7/2015 14:59(em resposta à...)
Or set it up to hit your stomach while stretched out
GoForTheGut (2 )
04/7/2015 12:18The closest thing I ever came up with was to buy one of those machines that fires baseballs in a batters cage. As long as it was aimed right, you could stand in front of it and take baseballs, or whatever you loaded it with, in the gut. Another was a 4x4 with a rounded end to it, with weights on it, swung on a sling that you could operate yourself. You could even put a boxing glove on the end of it.
jed7720 (13)
08/7/2015 21:19(em resposta à...)
I like the baseball pitching machine.
and be behind a backstop like maybe plywood or wire mesh with a 7" hole cut in it.
then have someone fire baseballs into the receivers stomach. Você precisa efetuar login com seu usuário e senha para visualizar a galeria de fotos.
jed7720 (13)
08/7/2015 22:10(em resposta à...)
rear view of punching and receiving station Você precisa efetuar login com seu usuário e senha para visualizar a galeria de fotos.
andrewj (21)
08/7/2015 21:47(em resposta à...)
thats gonna feel very slappy, not punch like at all.
hardabs1 (23)
04/7/2015 16:25(em resposta à...)
I still have my baseball pitching machine. Sadly, haven't used it for years, partly because it stung a lot and partly because I have found suitable punchers.
hardabs1 (23)
04/7/2015 05:53I gave this some thought about 10 years ago and there actually was a gutpunching machine advertised on an obscure web site. He wanted a $100 deposit on a $1,000 machine. The mailing address was fairly close, so I checked it out. Turned out to be one of those private post office box businesses. As much as I wanted to try out the machine, I declined the offer. Thank goodness because it was all bogus and a fraud, just to get $100 out of me and other customers. But if anyone wants to design a gutpunching machine and build it, I'm all in :)
Dzuk1 (2)
03/7/2015 20:47thought about it many times! creating it would be something else:) indeed i would want to buy it also
AbPuncher2 (1 )
03/7/2015 12:55Has anyone ever heard of, or thought about, a gut punching machine? I'm sure something like this must be possible. Just need someone with the expertise and motivation to create it :-) I'd buy it.